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RiceCream · Feb 25, 2008, 07:03 AM // 07:03

Apologies if this has already been discussed.

Thoughts on putting in a Blath faction title? one thing ive found recruiting is there are tons of people with titles.. such as all hero and glad titles... that are high and impressive and all, yet, they have no experience cause they've sway'd they fame etc. One of the defining factors that often relates to the recruits' level of skill is their balth faction. yet, without a screen shot(ive seen photoshoped ones...

, people lie about that sort of information. A simple, wearable title stating a general description of their pvp experience (for example r1=350k, r2=750k, r3= 1mil, r4=1.5 etc) could prove itself slightly useful. again, the title would eventually cap out at say..10mil, but in the same was as the lightbringer title.. maxes, but never actually stops increasing.

anywhoo.. long winded thought.

Chik N Nuggets · Feb 25, 2008, 07:13 AM // 07:13

ide be kindof happy... i got 2 mil balth faction spent on my account so far.. so as long as it was account wide and included all the people that have large numbers of balth faction.. then sure

Gift3d · Feb 25, 2008, 07:18 AM // 07:18

I've thought this would be a great idea for awhile too, it'd be like a general PvP title. It'd be great for people like me. I don't favor any one area of PvP really.

Here's my stand on all the current PvP titles.

Gladiator title = RA is too tedious and frustrating dealing with the noobs and obnoxious pompous morons with wiki builds. TA, is just ridiculous and stupid and i do not care to explain why, though i have my reasons. I belive this is a title entirely based upon luck/exploitation and that's what it will always be to me.

Hero title = HA used to be a lot of fun, i've gotten up to r5 in it, but before it was just fun and experimental, now it's just elitism, bad sportsmanship, and wiki.

Champion title = GvG is a lot of fun, but i'll never be in a champ range guild. Out of the question for someone like me.

AB title is pretty much PvE to me.

Balthazar Faction title = Awesome. It's something to work towards on the rare days i feel like RAing, the times where i get in my HA rut, and for when i GvG with some guildies. It'll show all-around PvP experience.

[Of course, it would have to be made so faction earned through Zaishen didn't count, but that's just stating the obvious because i know there will be someone just DYING to say it's a bad idea because of Zaishen]

JeniM · Feb 25, 2008, 08:11 AM // 08:11

hmmm everyone shoots the XP title thread down yet this same idea is being supported so far

I only do my 6k/day on ZE so i can't really comment much on a Balth title but i'd slowly get there (unless theres some harm in working towards a title that you can only put so much into per day like Gift3d thinks)

Medic · Feb 25, 2008, 09:10 AM // 09:10

I like this idea, and I would suggest that each rank should increase your balth faction cap like some of the other PvP titles do.

Luminarus · Feb 25, 2008, 10:20 AM // 10:20

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Originally Posted by RiceCream

One thing ive found recruiting is there are tons of people with titles.. such as all hero and glad titles... that are high and impressive and all, yet, they have no experience cause they've sway'd they fame etc.

I fail to see how this title would be any different from any of other pvp titles.

If the other titles arent enough due to cheapo ways of getting it (as u put it, they lack experience) how is balth faction any indication of it? Atleast Hero suggests they have an idea of what is going on in HA, Champ GVG, Commander HB, Luxon/Kurz AB, & Gladiator RA.

There is nothing to be gained by this title, and it doesnt show success in a specific area as all current titles do. No title is just a general "im good" statement (apart from koabd which could be classified as a im good at titles).

For these reasons I have to say that this is neither useful or necessary, and would only waste Anet's programming time, server space, and customer relations time as i am 100% sure that people would complain about SOME aspect of it.

Charr · Feb 25, 2008, 11:05 AM // 11:05

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Originally Posted by Luminarus

There is nothing to be gained by this title, and it doesnt show success in a specific area as all current titles do. No title is just a general "im good" statement (apart from koabd which could be classified as a im good at titles).

Well if just about any moron can brag with bought Hero title and Kurzic allegiance title earned trough buying FFF runs why shouldn't I be able to brag with my "I'm good" title?
At least for now you can be sure I didn't buy it.

Luminarus · Feb 25, 2008, 11:19 AM // 11:19

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Originally Posted by Charr

Well if just about any moron can brag with bought Hero title and Kurzic allegiance title earned trough buying FFF.

That takes alot of time and effort to sit there through 250+hrs of HFF, whilst getting balth faction isn't from one focused exploit. I was pointing out that EVERY other title is gained by being focused on one particular aspect of the game (Vanquishing, Hardmode, Chests, Unids, etc). Even the other PVP titles are focused upon one area (Gladiator - Arenas, Commander - HB, Champion - GVG, Hero - HA, Kurz/Luxon - AB). Balth faction title is simply saying im good at pvp. There isnt a pve version of that, and it serves no purpose as my previous post states.

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Originally Posted by Charr

why shouldn't I be able to brag with my "I'm good" title?

You can, the purpose of all titles is to show that you are good at something. A title that says im good in general is retarded, especially when it is one which is so easy to get.

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Originally Posted by Charr

At least for now you can be sure I didn't buy it.

When "buying" fame, you gain balth faction (theres bought)

When botting RA etc you gain balth faction

When leeching AB you get balth faction (assuming you dont get reported)

When doing Zaishen you get balth faction (can bot/buy that and its bloody easy) [I know someone said DONT include that coz someone will complain or something like that, but unfortunately IF anet implemented this title they wouldn't be able to seperate zaishen faction from other, just as they cant make all titles retroactive.

Also theres the Flames of Balthazar (i think thats them) they give 1k balth faction, and can be bought.

Finally, when people buy accounts, they naturally inherit all the balthazar faction already on the account, along with the fame, glad points, champ points, commander points, and lux/kurz rep. The whole argument for this title is flawed, and involves more time wasting from Anet.

The only reason I can see for putting up this title is for people who arent good enough to succeed in HA, GVG, RA enough to achieve ranks in those titles, because atleast by trying you get balth faction. This would rapidly become less respected then the "fame farmers" discussed earlier.

Pleikki · Feb 25, 2008, 03:49 PM // 15:49

Nah i think all titles that causes elitism should be deleted? and would this title come from Faction earned or used? :d Used = Woo flames of balthazar

Earned = ppl spam zaishen elite like crazy

Cebe · Feb 25, 2008, 04:15 PM // 16:15

Poll Added .

Orange Milk · Feb 25, 2008, 05:24 PM // 17:24

Luminarus, your arguement is invaild, there are 6 different ways to earn Luxon/Kurz faction, so it doesn't all come from one "dedicated exploit" that exploit also does not take effort, just time.

It's also account wide, just like Balt faction.

And of course someone somewhere would complain about it, theres always those people, in fact you're already basically complaining.

Rice Cream, how you doin man?, haven't seen you since I was in [GOAT]

Artorius.Maximus · Feb 25, 2008, 06:26 PM // 18:26

/notsigned

I like the specialized titles the way it is. Also, adding this would IMO make the need to add the experience title, which while I would love to have, only makes GWAMM easier to obtain. I would be working two titles at the same time then while doing HFFF or skill capping.

Yawgmoth · Feb 25, 2008, 07:12 PM // 19:12

Definately YESSSSSSS

Farming zaishens doesn't matter - the real massive faction gain comes from real PvP, especially GvG's (2000-3000++ per win) and abusing various x2 events.

This title should have no max - faction gain should have no limits.

/Signed

I would LOVE this thing!

N1ghtstalker · Feb 25, 2008, 07:28 PM // 19:28

/notsigned
seriously: no
ppl that earn those are doing PvP
and PvP has his own titles like: Gladiator, Hero and other stuff
big no no

payne · Feb 25, 2008, 07:28 PM // 19:28

would have to /sign this idea even though it has been suggested before :P

mostly for the reason of noobs lying about their balth faction to get into
*high(er)* GvG / HA guilds without the designated amount of balth faction as a req.

Maybe more ranks? 6/8 maybe so it is more precise to how much fac. you have! gg

I pwnd U · Feb 25, 2008, 07:38 PM // 19:38

/notsigned

IMO Alot of balthazar faction does not always mean a better player. I have seen plenty of people in RA saying how much faction they have and then turn out to be terrabad. (Yes, I know they could be lying but atm we shall give them the benifit of the doubt) Really its a positive correlation of time spent PvPing and amount of Balthazar Faction spent. Just my opinion though.

dies like fish · Feb 25, 2008, 07:48 PM // 19:48

WTB Flames of Balthazar

This idea is stupid.

the Puppeteer · Feb 25, 2008, 10:09 PM // 22:09

So a title for farming zaichen, RA & TA...? (gvg & HA have their own titles)
no tnx
/notsigned

Yawgmoth · Feb 25, 2008, 10:16 PM // 22:16

You won't get *millions* of faction by stupidity like Flames or farming Zaishens. The real PvP players will always make much more millions than that. Always.

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Originally Posted by N1ghtstalker

/notsigned
seriously: no
ppl that earn those are doing PvP
and PvP has his own titles like: Gladiator, Hero and other stuff
big no no

what a retarded post

Guess what - it would be a PvP title!

You cry because you won't be able to get that by farming griffons or other trolls?

Look at how many titles PvE has. PvP has only 4.

I wouldn't cry if they made more and more titles all about PvE that I would never get. Just ignore. Not stupidly oppose.

HawkofStorms · Feb 25, 2008, 10:17 PM // 22:17

Part of this stems from the fact that there is only 1 GvG title, champion, which is ridiculously hard to earn (as it should be, it is meant for only truely elite players).
But anybody who is an experiencd GvG player exclusivly won't have a title. Which seems kinda odd since according to A.net, GvGs are the most prominant form of PvP (they are what world championships are based on, not TA, HA, or shudder AB format).

An experienced GvG player is far more skilled then a rank 3 gladiator, but won't have anything to show for it.